Official list of American servicemen killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom as of 5:30 p.m. EST Friday

[Jazz]

As a pre-emptive tactic, I'm going to point out to those who are concerned that soldiers died fighting this war against their beliefs, or did so 'involuntarily', that anyone joining the military but ESPECIALLY the ground combat Marines had full knowledge of the potential for conflict and that they might be called to duty (and of course soldiers also die in training accidents).

Why? Because since 1991 there was the Gulf War, Somalia and Bosnia, not to mention terrorist attacks on embassies and military bases, as well as the WTC attacks.

So please, rather than asking open-ended questions about this, instead post some FACTS concerning the percentage of the active military and the National Guard who are against fighting, don't want to do their duty and had no idea joining a miliary service could possibly lead to combat. If you can't, or the percentage is miniscule, please move on to another objection. I'd also like to point out to you that if a soldier cannot fight due to religious or conscientious objections, he is not forced to by means of threatening to kill his family or, in fact, killing him as has been happening in Basra. I suggest you post the list of dead Iraqi soldiers and ask similarly how many of them were threatened and brutalized into fighting against their will, you know, for 'balance'.

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Following is the official list of American servicemen killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom as of 5:30 p.m. EST Friday:

Navy Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, 27, of La Mesa, Calif. Killed when two Royal Navy Sea King helicopters collided over international waters March 22. Assigned as an exchange officer with the Royal Navy's 849 Squadron since October 2002.

Spc. Jamaal R. Addison, 22, of Roswell, Ga. Killed when ambushed by enemy forces in Iraq March 23. Assigned to the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.

Maj. Jay Thomas Aubin, 36, of Waterville, Maine. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on March 20 in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Aviation Weapons and Tactics Squadron --1, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma, Ariz.

Capt. Ryan Anthony Beaupre, 30, of St. Anne, Ill. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on March 20 in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron -- 268, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, 31, of Ventura, Calif. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 2nd Assault Amphibious Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, 20, of Cedar Key, Fla. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

2nd Lt. Therrel S. Childers, 30, of Harrison County, Miss. Killed in action on March 21 in southern Iraq. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Lance Cpl. David K. Fribley, 26, of Fort Myers, Fla. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, 21, of Orange, Calif. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Cpl. Jorge A. Gonzalez, 20, of Los Angeles. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, 22, of Los Angeles. Killed in action on March 21 in Southern Iraq. Assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Sgt. Nicolas M. Hodson, 22, of Smithville, Mo. Killed in a vehicle accident in Iraq on March 24. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Cpl. Evan James, 20, La Harpe, Ill. Drowned while trying to cross the Saddam Canal in southeastern Iraq on March 24. Reservist with the Naval and Marine Corps Reserve Center, Peoria, Ill.

Pfc. Howard Johnson II, 21, of Mobile, Ala. Killed when ambushed by enemy forces in Iraq March 23. Assigned to the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.

Hospital Corpsman Third Class Michael Vann Johnson, Jr., 25, of Little Rock, Ark. Killed when shrapnel from a grenade hit him in the head March 25. Assigned to Naval Medical Center, Third Marine Division Detachment, San Diego.

Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, 42, of Enfield, Conn. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Cpl. Brian Matthew Kennedy, 25, of Houston. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on March 20 in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron — 268, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Marine Sgt. Brad Korthaus, 29, of Davenport, Iowa. Drowned while trying to cross the Saddam Canal in southeastern Iraq on March 24. Assigned to Engineering Company C, 6th Engineer Support Battalion, 4th Force Service Support Group, Peoria, Ill.

Marine Maj. Kevin Nave, 36, of White Lake Township, Mich. No further information currently available.

Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 26, of Buffalo, N.Y. Killed by an accidental discharge of a .50 cal machine gun in Iraq. Assigned to the 2nd Tank Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., 31, Nye, Nev. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the Headquarters Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, 21, San Diego. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Army Spc. Gregory P. Sanders, 19, of Hobart, Ind. Killed in action March 24 in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 69th Armor, Fort Stewart, Ga.

Army Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of Williams Township, Pa. Killed by a grenade while sleeping in a tent at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait, on March 22. Assigned to the 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Ky.

Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, 22, of Thornton, Colo. Killed in action March 23 in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Air National Guard Maj. Gregory Stone, 40, of Boise, Idaho. Died on March 25 from wounds received by a grenade in a tent at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait, on March 22. Assigned to the 124th Air Support Operations Squadron, Idaho Air National Guard, Boise, Idaho.

Army Reserve Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, 19, of Portland, Ore. Killed in a non-hostile vehicle accident March 22 in Iraq. Assigned to the 671st Engineer Brigade, Portland, Ore.

Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, 29, of Baltimore. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on March 20 in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

[This message was edited by Jazz on 03-29-03 at 08:57 AM.]

[This message was edited by Jazz on 03-29-03 at 09:13 AM.]

 

average age 26

so sad.

giving life for old jackasses is a great thing to do.

go usa.

 

May the Lord God Almighty have mercy on their souls...

 

[Jazz]

Marco - and for the young and children as well. Don't like the war? Fine. In fact, when I posted this I was wondering when the subject would switch from trying to disparage their volunteer status to blaming 'old men'. But it's a circular argument - if they are volunteers, they could have chosen not to join based on your view, but obviously they don't have your view, and neither do MOST PEOPLE by far in the United States. There have been armed conflicts and wars through Democratic and Republican administrations for decades, and you would have thought the poor, stupid young swine would wise up and revolt when given a chance to volunteer for service - but no, that hasn't happened.

That's reality. Your viewpoint is only a viewpoint - it's like bitching because the professors in a college are older than you and it's unfair that they are in authority - it's called REALITY.

[This message was edited by Jazz on 03-29-03 at 12:47 PM.]

 

[SAFETANA]

This is not good and its not get better. Why would anybody wanna go to war for this liar!

 

[Jazz]

Any chance you don't intend posting the same image in your next 1000 posts?

 

[SAFETANA]

 

[Jazz]

Seen it already - but at least you've doubled your repertoire.

 

[SAFETANA]

Veterans' Letter to the President
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15356

By Veterans For Common Sense
March 11, 2003

The following letter was signed by 1,000 war veterans and given to the President on March 10, 2003.


March 10, 2003


The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


Dear Mr. President:


We, the undersigned veterans who have served our country in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the 1991 Gulf War and other military conflicts, respectfully request an opportunity to meet with you about the threat of war between the United States and Iraq.


Mr. President, we are patriotic citizens and veterans who respect the office of the President and the ethics and values binding us together as Americans.


As such, we feel duty-bound to share with you our serious concerns regarding issues of national security, the appropriate use of our military strength, and the health and welfare of our active duty soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. Those of us who are veterans of the 1991 Gulf War can offer particular insight into the ongoing troubles in the Middle East, and the likely consequences of another war in that volatile region.


A dozen years ago, we helped liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, and in the course of combat operations came face to face with brutality and the consequences of modern warfare. We learned how unpredictable the nature of war can be. And we learned that war-related losses are not simply experienced on the battlefield.


Following the 1991 Gulf War, we collectively failed to prevent Saddam Hussein's violent repression of a popular uprising and the unprecedented refugee flight that ensued. As a result, tens of thousands of innocent civilians died. In addition to those deaths, the war and immediate post-war conditions resulted in the excess deaths of 46,900 children under the age of five, according to the New England Journal of Medicine (Sept. 24, 1992).


Over the long term, the 1991 Gulf War has had a lasting, detrimental impact on the health of countless people in the region, and on the health of American men and women who served there. Twelve years after the conflict, over 164,000 American Gulf War veterans are now considered disabled by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. That number increases daily.


The possibility of large-scale war between the U.S. and Iraq looms before us once again. For this urgent reason we would like to meet with you to discuss steps the United States and its allies can take to protect U.S. soldiers, allied forces, and Iraqi civilians from known and suspected hazards that would result from military operations.


We understand the risks that come with war and that there are times when such risks are necessary. However, we strongly question the need for a war at this time. Despite Secretary of State Colin Powell's report to the Security Council and the testimony of others in the administration, we are not convinced that coercive containment has failed, or that war has become necessary.


Our own intelligence agencies have consistently noted both the absence of an imminent threat from Iraq and reliable evidence of cooperation between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Again, we question whether this is the right time and the right war.


Further, we believe the risks involved in going to war, under the unclear and shifting circumstances that confront us today, are far greater than those faced in 1991. Instead of a desert war to liberate Kuwait, combat would likely involve protracted siege warfare, chaotic street-to-street fighting in Baghdad, and Iraqi civil conflict. If that occurs, we fear our own nation and Iraq would both suffer casualties not witnessed since Vietnam. We fear the resulting carnage and humanitarian consequences would further devastate Iraqi society and inflame an already volatile Middle East, and increase terrorism against U.S. citizens.


Our concerns about the potential human and material costs of a military conflict in Iraq are well substantiated. In the event of a war, the UN warns that 1.26 million children under the age of five in Iraq will be at risk of death. Within the initial weeks of conflict, the World Health Organization estimates 500,000 Iraqis would need immediate medical attention. Ten million Iraqis would need immediate humanitarian assistance and over two million Iraqis would be made homeless.


The scale of the crisis would be so large that the international community would be unable to prevent widespread suffering. For these reasons and more, it remains in our nation's best interest to avoid another war. The risk of excessive civilian casualties like those predicted by the UN pose a grave risk to our national security, making the U.S. more of a target of retaliatory attacks by terrorists.


Mr. President, as our Commander-in-Chief, we recognize the immense responsibility you have to protect our homeland and keep our nation secure. As veterans who honorably served our nation in its wars, we believe that our perspectives, knowledge and expertise can aid you at this crucial time, as you continue to deliberate on whether or not to commit our nation to war.


We therefore request a meeting at your earliest possible convenience. We look forward to any opportunity to come together with you to discuss the matters we have raised.


Sincerely,


Vice Admiral Ralph Weymouth, USN, Retired
Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, USN, Retired
Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote, USA, Retired
Colonel David H. Hackworth, USA, Retired
Colonel Larry Williams, USMC, Retired
Colonel James E Unterseher, USA, Retired
Colonel James B. Burkholder, USA, Retired
Colonel Roger F. Strand, USAF, Retired
Colonel Virginia A. Metcalf, USA, Retired
Colonel Mary H. Yeakel, USA, Retired
Colonel Henrik O. Lunde, USA, Retired
Colonel Bruce S. Jarstfer, USA, Retired
Colonel Thomas Patrick Chisholm, USA, Retired
Colonel James Steven Chandler, USA
Colonel James J. Kent, USA, Retired
Colonel Grace E. Squires, USA, Retired
Colonel Carol Anne O‚Donnell, USA, Retired
Captain Kris Kristofferson, USA, Retired
Captain Thomas C. Tindall Jr., USNR, Retired
Captain Herbert A. Blough, USN, Retired
Captain M. David Preston, USCG
Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth K. McGillicuddy, USMC, Retired


Read the names of the rest of the veterans who signed the letter at Veterans For Common Sense. Another veterans' group, Veterans Against Iraq War is organizing three days of protest in Washington D.C. from March 22 to March 24.

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